#1 05/02/2008 08:24:21

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Infos WoT ! [L'ultime tome de la Roue du Temps]

Ouvrons maintenant ce fameux sujet ! smile

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#2 05/02/2008 08:59:04

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Rien de trop nouveau en effet dans cet interview.
La bonne nouvelle c'est qu'il commence ce mois-ci l'criture du tome, et qu'il doit tre termin pour dcembre. J'espre que le calendrier sera respect.  smile


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#3 05/02/2008 10:55:04

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Sanderson voque aussi nouveau sa relecture de The Great Hunt :

I know that this book is the favorite of a lot of readers, and as I re-read it, I can certainly remember why. The ending was fast-paced and dramatic and contained several of my favorite scenes from the series.

    One of these is the experience of using the Portal Stone and letting us see all of the different lives Rand could have lived. I loved the variety of the scene and the power of ending each one with the Dark One’s words. I win again….

    I thought that would be my favorite scene of the book until I hit the climax with the horn sounding and the Dragon Reborn riding to battle beneath his banner. As many of you know, I am an endings guy. A great ending makes a book for me, while a weak ending can really ruin a story. This ending was a great one–plenty of powerful imagery and good conflicts.

    There’s one interesting that happened when I was reading this book. I remembered and anticipated a lot of the moments in this book, one of the most important being Egwene’s capture by the Seanchan. The strange thing is, I kept waiting and waiting for the event, and it never came. I’d remembered with detail the chapters and chapters of torture she’d gone through as one of the leashed ones.

    Finally, I reached the last fifth of the book and the capture came along. I was surprised to see that the time I’d remembered as filling ‘chapters and chapters’ was really only about thirty pages worth of material.

    This says a lot, I think, about the depth of the conflict in those thirty pages. What Egwene went through was traumatic enough for her that it left a strong impression on me. The fact that Mr. Jordan was able to do that in just a few chapters says a lot for his ability to give depth and power to a scene.


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#4 05/02/2008 21:56:16

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Merci pour l'avis supplmentaire. Sa rflexion quant la capture d'Egwene est assez trange car elle ne m'avait pas tant marque que a et faisait en outre trs peu de pages. Mais l encore, les affinits de passage diffrent. Et puis je rejoins son analyse: mme si RJ avait tendance dlayer, ses talents de conteur taient tels qu'il pouvait en trs peu de pages marquer durablement le elcteur avec des passages sublimes dont il a le secret (la premire charge avec les hros du Cor, la fin de l'Oeil du Monde, la fuite de Mat de Tar Valon, la prise de Tear et l'affrontement qui s'ensuit, la reconnaissance en pays Aiel, les nombreuses visions trs saisissantes... smile


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#5 05/02/2008 23:13:15

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J'en suis justement rendu au deuxime tome. Jusqu' maintenant c'est trs bon !


Voici Gali l'alligator !! il arrive il sme la mort !!
ventre les oisillons !! torture les papillons !!
Voici Gali l'alligator !! Les lapins il les dvore !!
Vritable psychopathe !! il leur arrache toutes les pattes!!

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#6 06/02/2008 08:58:38

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Eh bien, Sanderson est dj pass ses impressions sur le tome 3 :

WoT Read Through: THE DRAGON REBORN
Posted on 02.05.08
Categories: Wheel of Time

I've mentioned that it's sometimes hard for me to remember which events happen in which book.  Obviously, I knew going into this one that I'd be reading about the fall of the Stone of Tear--the cover gives a handy hint on that.  However, some of what I'd THOUGHT happened here--the pages and pages of Egwene being held by the Seanchan, the training of the three in the White Tower--all was covered in the last book.  (Man, he packed a lot into THE GREAT HUNT.)  And now, it turns out that another big event (Rand using the lightning to clear the Stone from shadowspawn) is actually in the next book.

So, I went into this one a little bit confused, trying to remember what exactly happened in Book Three.  About a hundred pages into it, I suddenly remembered.  This is the one where Rand disappears. 

As if in foreshadowing of future books in the series, where side characters become main characters, this is the book where we only get brief glimpses of Rand.  I remember being annoyed by this when I was younger.  Oddly--this is another change between my young self and my older self--I didn't feel that any more.  I've grown, over the years, to see the WHEEL OF TIME less as Rand's story, and more of the story of the end of an age.  It's the story of the entire world and the people in it, not just the story of one person.  And so, I actually enjoyed reading the different viewpoints, which allowed me to get to know the world and setting better.  Perhaps that's just the writer in me knowing that in another month or so, I'm going to have to write in this setting, and so anything that shows me more viewpoints, more characters, and more places is going to be well appreciated.

All admit to a slight longing, however.  Not for more Rand viewpoints specifically, but a longing to know him better.  The man whom we read about at the beginning of this book has changed a lot since the end of the second book.  That progress, that change, is trapped between books, lost to us.  A friend recently explained to me that Mr. Jordan looked at Rand's changes during this book as a metaphor for the way he himself changed during his years in Vietnam.  That same friend suggested that maybe showing those changes explicitly might have been to close to home for Mr. Jordan.  I'd never heard that before, but it makes a whole lot of sense.

My only other complaint about this books is Moiraine.  She's always been one of my favorites, but she got on my nerves here.  It's okay to push around Mat--he deserves it.  Rand is fair game too; he can blow up cities.  He needs direction.  But why does she have to pick on Perrin?  He doesn't deserve it. 

And, speaking of Perrin, my favorite moment in this book came when Perrin entered the blacksmith's shop near the end and worked the forges.  Something about the beauty of the writing there, mixed with Perrin's inner turmoil of the surrounding chapters, worked for me.  It was one of the most amazing moments in the series so far for me, and reminded me why I like Perrin as a character so much.

On sent le fan !  tongue


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#7 06/02/2008 11:47:50

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Tiens, Moiraine commence la saouler, Sanderson ne fait donc pas dans la langue de bois.  lol


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#8 08/02/2008 11:06:48

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Et le voil qui passe dj au tome suivant, a va vite !

These are some MORE of his throughts on THE SHADOW RISING

    I know these posts are getting mirrored around to a lot of different websites, so I thought Id mention a couple of things. First off, you should understand how I use my blog. While I sometimes go into depth on topics, writing long essays (I call them EULOgies, after my net nickname EUOL), most of the time my blog is used simply for a Heres what Im doing right now. Often, Ill post a few paragraphs about the copyedit Im working on or the book Im writing. Nothing ever in-depth.

    Im not a true blogger, as Ive discussed often on this blog. I dont read up on what is happening in the Blogosphere and offer criticism and debate. My blog is more of a news feed than a true blog. A way for my readers to keep an eye on what Im doing.

    These WHEEL OF TIME posts are intended for that purpose. Less analysis of the books, more of a way of saying Hey, Ive finished this book and am moving on to the next, if youre interested. I intentionally shy away from any deep analysis since, well, Id rather not get pulled into any in-depth debates at this point. These are just off the cuff reactions intended to indicate where I am and what Ive been feeling.

    That said, here are a few reactions to THE SHADOW RISING.

    This book is longhuge, actually. Im curious to know if its the longest of Mr. Jordans books by wordcount. (Does anyone have a list of the wordcounts of all the books?) However, it didnt feel long to me, since we have so many characters to watch and follow. Ive heard some people complain about the number of characters in the WoT books, but this is what makes the series work so well, in my opinion. You can justify a 400,000 word novel if youre letting us follow so many different viewpoints and storylines.

    The best part of this book for me, hands down, were the scenes where Rand gets to experience the history of the Aiel and the Traveling People. This actually illustrates what I was trying to say in the previous paragraph, but didnt quite get around to. These books work because no matter whos viewpoint you are in, Mr. Jordan is able to make them feel alive and real, and is able to make their motivations rational. (If, sometimes, evil.) These scenes in the past are a great example. Weve never met these people, and yet they were as interesting to read for me as the main characters.

    I think this is the jump readers need to make to really enjoy this series. They cant get so attached to Rand, Mat, Egwene, and Perrin that they arent willing to experience the powerful characterizations of other people in the world. Those who cant make this jump tend to complain about the series loosing focus. Those who do make the jump get a story with more complexity and depth than you find in some of the other fantasy series, which stick to the more traditional plot structures and characterizations.

    My second favorite parts of this book come with Perrin and Faile. Faile is often cited as one of peoples least favorite characters, but again, I think this comes from not understanding what is going on. Shes annoying at the beginningshe really is. Shes childish and petulant. Thats great: it means she has room to grow. And I think she does. This book starts off with her and Perrin having, in my opinion, a very immature relationship. By the end theyve grown together and both have matured. Perrin by learning to be a leader, Faile by learning to work with him rather than just trying to hard to get him to let her be in charge. I think thats an important lesson that a young noblewoman like her needed to learn.


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#9 08/02/2008 16:14:36

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Il ne s'arrte plus! smile
Son analyse de Faile est assez juste car en effet elle est immature l'instar de Perrin. Elle peut largement vboluer au fil des livres et au final si on la compare par rapport sa position dans le dernier livre on voit tout de suite que ce n'est plus la me^me. Et puis Perrin est tellement mou qu'il en faut du courage pour le supporter!


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#10 11/02/2008 14:24:51

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belgarion a crit:

Et puis Perrin est tellement mou qu'il en faut du courage pour le supporter!

H, ho, un peu de respect. wink

Je retiens davantage cette fois la mise au point de l'auteur, qui explique qu'il n'est pas un "vrai" blogger et qu'il ne faut pas s'attendre le voir mettre en ligne des analyses de 40 pages sur chaque tome. Sa dmarche me parat plus logique, surtout qu'il n'est oblig de rien.


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#11 19/02/2008 08:39:08

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De nouvelles impressions de l'auteur, qui termine Lord of Chaos :

Here are a few short responses to FIRES OF HEAVEN.  This isn't very long, I'm afraid.  I finished the book last week and am now much of the way through LORD OF CHAOS.  The demands of the convention, however, kept me from being able to do a response to book five until now.  (And forgive me if I spell any names wrong below.  I wrote this rather quickly.  I think I got them all right, but didn't have time to check them all.)

As I've said before, reading through the WHEEL OF TIME this time, now that I'm a writer, has been very interesting. It seems to me that this series--particularly staring with Books four and five--were always intended to be read straight through as one. Though there are climaxes in each book, I also get a sense that each ending isn't really the end and each beginning isn't really the beginning. (Which, of course, is part of the overarching theme of the series in the first place.)  I like how the books blend together, each having their own theme, but each also feeling like a continuation of what came before.

Book five has a lot of very interesting events. I'm curious how Egwene's character is changing, in particular, and I find myself empathizing with her less and less--but find myself liking Nynaeve and Elayne (not to mention Aviendha) quite a bit more. Nynaeve, in particular, is growing quite quickly as a character as she realizes she can't use hatred of Moiraine as a motivation, and shifts more toward her desires to heal and protect. It is interesting to me that Perrin disappears in this book, much as Rand disappeared in Book Three. The series really begins to expand here, moving more and more toward an exploration of a wide variety of characters.

Reading and expecting this to happen, I find myself very interested in what is happening with the "side" characters. I use quotes because if there's one thing this series has taught me, it's that there aren't really side characters and main characters in this series. It's about everyone. True, the ta'veren form the focus for what is happening to the others, but Siuan and Morgase's stories are in many ways as important to the pattern as those of Egwene and Elayne. My second favorite storyline in this one, actually, was indeed Siuan's story. We've had a lot of tales in this series about common people becoming important. It's nice to see that reversed and look at the lives of important people who are suddenly forced to become common.

My favorite storyline in this book, however, is Mat's.  He finally starts to shine.  Almost against his will, it seems--which makes it all the more interesting.  Those moments in the battle near the end where he keeps trying to escape, but ends up unable to abandon the soldiers were quite powerful and meaningful.  I find it interesting--as many others have noted--that the final fight between Mat and Couladin happens off-screen.  This seems an indication to me that Mr. Jordan felt that the affect of conflict upon the characters was more important than the conflict itself.  Getting to sit with Mat as he works through in his head what had just happened proved for a very interesting scene, and allowed us flashbacks to the fight with Couladin itself.  Obviously, this isn't a plot structure to use all of the time, but I felt that it was quite adeptly employed here.

I'm eagerly awaiting the moment when the Wise Ones discover that Egwene isn't a full Aes Sedai. She needs to be brought down a notch or two.

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#12 19/02/2008 09:15:15

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C'est gnial de relire ces "rsums" des diffrents tomes de la Roue du Temps. Ca me donne franchement envie de tous les relire. Mais je crois qu'avant a, je vais attendre le dernier pour faire le marathon smile Sinon, concernant Sanderson, c'est trs intressant tout ce qu'il dit. Reste voir, s'il arrivera le mettre aussi bien en oeuvre quand il crira.


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#13 19/02/2008 10:54:37

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Luigi Brosse a crit:

Mais je crois qu'avant a, je vais attendre le dernier pour faire le marathon smile

Je l'avais dj fait jusqu'au tome 10, avec en bonus la prquelle, je pense pas me le refaire de sitt mme si j'adore cette srie. Ou alors il faudrait que je me retrouve six mois au fond d'une grotte ou sur une le dserte.  big_smile


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#14 19/02/2008 20:12:53

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Pour ma part a fait 6 mois que j'ai dcroch la moiti du tome 9 ou 10. Ca commence tourner un peu en rond (c'est le cas de le dire) et vu que le dernier tome n'est pas sorti je ne vois pas de raison de persvrer dans la lecture. Je recommencerai toute la srie ds que le dernier tome sera l wink

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#15 21/02/2008 13:08:09

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Je ne suis pas tout fait d'accord avec lui sur Mat, il ne faut pas attendre si tard pour le voir devenir vraiment intressant. A part a, j'ai hte qu'il se mette au boulot ! wink


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#16 21/02/2008 23:40:32

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Heureux de voir qu'il commence apprcier Mat sa juste valeur. Je trouve qu'il s'agi_t en effet du hros le plus complexe de la roue du temps avec des motivations pas si manichennes que a qui lui sont propres et un caractre bien tremp. Et ensuite il va gagner en profondeur jusqu' rvler des aspects de sa personnalit qu'on ne pouvait deviner au premier abord.


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#17 26/02/2008 08:06:09

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Il a enfin termin sa relecture de "Lord of Chaos". wink

WoT: LORD OF CHAOS
Posted on 02.25.08
Categories: Wheel of Time

I've now completed my re-read of the first six WoT books.  Perhaps it is my mind seeking organization where there is none, but I see these six books as having a rather interesting division.  The first three each focus around a central event--the hunt for the horn, for instance, or the fall of the Stone.  The second three change the direction of the series, moving to a much more complicated story.  Each of these three middle books seem to contain a much larger number of plots, goals, and character motivations.  These middle three, the second trilogy if you will, blend together far more than the first three did.  It's like they all form one large book, with the lines between them far more blurred. 

I'm not sure if this is the way Mr. Jordan plotted them, or if it's simply the way the series evolved.  Perhaps I'm just seeing something where there is none.  However, as a writer, this division interests me.  I find that as a reader, I am much more satisfied with reading these middle books, though I didn't by any means dislike the early ones.  A series this long could not have lasted by telling stories only about one or two characters.  Series that do such always feel like they have flat characterization to me.  You can only focus so long on one character before you have to begin recycling motivations or pushing their character development into the realm of the ridiculous.  By expanding the series beyond what it appeared at first--a simple hero's journey--Mr. Jordan created something more lasting. 

However, he also took a great risk in changing the series (either intentionally or by natural evolution) as he did.  A great many writers do the easy thing, telling the same story over and over with different names on the front, having the same few characters go through the exact same stories over and over.  That's comfortable for readers, but it does not challenge genre, and it is not the substance of greatness (in my opinion.)  Instead of doing that, Mr. Jordan took a chance on expanding the plots of dozens of side characters, crafting a series that was about much more than it seemed at first.  All three of these middle books blended together, but each one still felt distinct to me.  The story is moving, progressing, growing--and the characters are much different people at the end than they were at the beginning.

Perhaps I should focus more on what specifically happened in LORD OF CHAOS that I liked, but as the one who must--however insufficiently--continue Mr. Jordan's legacy, I find myself looking more at the whole than at the minutia.  That, of courses, is important as well.  But I think for me to be successful in completing this final book, I need to understand--really understand--what made this series great.  I might not be able to write the exact words Mr. Jordan would have, but if I can get the SOUL of the book right, then that will not matter. 

Anyway, as for Book Six, it was a powerful read.  Lews Therin was my favorite character of the book--his interactions with Rand are wonderful.  We are left wondering just how much is insanity and how much is another man's soul in Rand's head.  Each conversation gives us information about the setting, personality about rand, and tension for the plot as we wonder about his sanity.  Not to mention the occasional laugh at the exchanges, sorrow regarding Therin's tragedy, and a sense of mystery as Rand tries to find out just how much he can interact with Therin.  Masterfully done.

A second response comes with the ending.  It's sometimes easy to skip over this ending in light of the dramatic occurrences at the end of Book's two and three, and yet I found this to be one of the most tense of the entire series.  It was very well foreshadowed and marvelously executed.


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#18 26/02/2008 10:59:58

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C'est maintenant qu'il arrive aux tomes plus ennuyants, on va voir ce qu'il en retire.  wink


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#19 01/03/2008 08:09:46

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Tout petit update cette fois :

Anyway, I'm back and working on WOT Book Seven (almost done, actually.)  I hope to be through Book Eight by the end of the weekend.  For those who have been wondering, I DO intend to read A NEW SPRING as part of this.  (I'm reading it after book 10, where it was originally released.)  I've also ordered copies of the audio-books to listen to, though I understand that some of their pronunciations are off.


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#20 01/03/2008 17:00:51

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Il avance vite en tout cas. Lit-il en diagonale?
J'ai hte de savoir en tout cas ce qu'il va penser de ces derniers tomes. smile


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